Considering Christian Nationalism: When the Mormon Understands the Gospel Better Than the Evangelical Christian

Christian Nationalists are advancing a claim that God placed Donald Trump in power and that there is no free will. In this debate a Mormon pushed back hard and defended the belief of free will. This post would like to ask the question for those evangelicals who are blindly stating that God placed Trump in power, could Mormonism be a healthier alternative for them? Could they learn more about the Gospel inside Mormonism? Maybe some need to consider that issue.

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

Isaac Asimov

Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good. His love endures forever.

Psalm 136:1 NIV 

The other day on Twitter I saw an argument being made by a Christian Nationalist who tried to explain why God chose Donald Trump. Then later on there was also a response from a Mormon which raised my eyebrows. I lifted a couple of tweets and put them down below. Read what Erick Erickson who embraces the culture wars at The Resurgent says. And then study Evan McMullin’s response to him. 

 

Evan McMullin’s Response to Erick Erickson

 

Brief Understanding of Mormonism 

Mormonism is officially known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It was founded by Joseph Smith on April 6, 1830. Mormons will tell you that Mormonism is to Christianity what Christianity is to Judaism. It is not considered orthodox Christianity. Mormon theology rejects the trinity and claims that people were spirits before they were born. Heaven has three levels to it and they also believe that male Mormons can become Gods after death and inherit their own plant. They have four official texts the King James Version of the Bible, The Pearl of Great Price, The Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. The Book of Mormon is about the Israelites coming to South America and Jesus appearing to the South Americans. The religion started when an angel named Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith in update New York and told him to reject all the current churches at the time. Smith was to re-establish Christianity.  The Mormons also will teach you that after the last apostle died the Christian church entered into a state of apostasy until 1830 in upstate New York with the Gospel being re-established. This writer explored Mormonism in college and in the archives of this blog there are a number of posts that you can read to learn more. 

 

Christian Nationalism as Advocated by the Erick Erickson’s, Franklin Graham’s and James Dobsons of the World 

Starting in 2016 many evangelicals wrapped themselves around Donald Trump and became strong supporters. This blog wants to differentiate and state that those who are Calvinist rejected the phenomenon mostly as they don’t believe in the culture wars.  Calvinists are not about winning a Supreme Court seat, but church planting and expository preaching. In contrast, many of the Christian Nationalists are putting forward a claim that God chose Donald Trump for the Presidency of the United States. Erick Erickson who is involved in the culture wars and writes about evangelical issues as well as political causes made that claim in the tweet you can see above. The claim is that God chose Donald Trump and that it is confirmed by scripture. God intentionally sends plagues and can create rivers of blood. Other Christian Nationalists such as Eric Metaxas, Robert Jeffress, James Dobson and Franklin Graham would also get on this bandwagon. They would say it in different ways though. For example Franklin Graham in June of 2019 said that God was behind the election of Donald Trump, you can read that claim here. Southern Baptist pastor Robert Jeffress also has claimed that God helped engineer the election of Donald Trump. You can read about that here

 

How the Mormon Understands Christianity Better than the Evangelical Christians 

Evan McMullin is a Mormon who did an LDS mission to Brazil and graduated from Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. He worked at the Central Intelligence Agency from 2001 until 2010. When I was on Twitter the other day I saw Erick Erickson’s comment and ignored it. However, later on when I saw that Evan McMullin responded to it and took it on, I was impressed with what was stated. In this case it is the Mormon who understands the Gospel better and can respond to the evangelical rot and corruption. Consider the Mormon has a better understanding of the Christian topic of free will. People are free to choose even bad leaders. In addition he also points out that evil does not come from God by even quoting John 1:5-8. When I saw Evan McMullin pushing back on the theology and correcting the evangelical Christian on basic theology I realized that in this situation the Mormons actually understand the Gospel better then the evangelical Christians. 

The irony of this is that many evangelicals would call Mormonism a cult. Maybe they could say that in the past but can they state that today when many culture war evangelicals support and blindly help prop up a personality cult?  When one considers what is said about God picking leadership that can’t be changed that raises a whole host of questions like the following. Did God put Pol Pot into power in Cambodia and have 1.7 million people killed in Cambodia from 1975 until 1979? What about Adolf Hitler? Did God place Hitler at the head of Germany and instigate World War II? Is God responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews and another 5 million non-Jews but others who ran afoul of the Nazi regime? Last month I suggested an idea that I would like to resurrect here. When you see some of the personalities in evangelicalism like Mark Driscoll or James MacDonald are evangelicals following another personality cult because they are accustomed to it? Is following Donald Trump any different than following James MacDonald or Mark Driscoll? This blog has observed over the course of time how some people go from one cult to another and do not seem to learn from their past mistakes. You can read more about this in, “Considering Authoritarianism in Evangelicalism. Did Individuals Like Mark Driscoll in Seattle Pave the way for Evangelicals to Follow Donald Trump?

So this brings us back to the issue of Mormonism and the evangelical Christians engagement in believing that God places in power any leader regardless. Evan McMullin has a better understanding in this situation of the Gospel than the Evangelical Christian. This blog would like to raise the question, can Mormonism be a healthier alternative for those evangelicals in the Trump personality cult? Would some of those Christians learn more about the Gospel by engaging and possibly looking into Mormonism? And this blog would suggest that yes that can perhaps be an alternative. So if any of you out there who engage in the culture wars and are Trumpists want to learn more about free will you can visit the website for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints right here

 

9 thoughts on “Considering Christian Nationalism: When the Mormon Understands the Gospel Better Than the Evangelical Christian

    • 1 John 4:3
      And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

      1 John 2:22
      Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

      Trump is NOT an anti-Christ.

      But THE anti-Christ will reside in a TEMPLE in Jerusalem, and that hasn’t even been built yet.

      So, all this talk about Trump is a bunch of phooyie. Come on people. Seems like the “ANTI-Trumpers” are doing what they accuse others of.

      But, I will say this…THEY HATED ME WITHOUT A CAUSE!

      Jesus said that about himself, and I can definitely see that in the Trump haters.

      I thought you people were supposed to LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. How much LOVE you got for Trump?

      DISOBEYING GOD by not loving your neighbor, huh?

      I’ve read the book of Mormon. THAT BOOK is corrupt and rot from the word GO!

      So, if you really want to get into a theological discussion on Mormonism…I’m game.

      I invite the Mormoms in my house all the time for a discussion. I do NOT turn them away unless my roommates shew them away, as they are NOT INTERESTED in religious talk in the living room.

      But let me say this…TONS of corruption is from the left. Trump is NOT the corrupt one. He is getting hammered by the left on TRUMPED UP CHARGES. I’m surprised that you guys all can’t see that. It really boggles my mind. REALLY. I can’t understand Trump haters for the life of me. It’s like, WHERE DID YOU PEOPLE COME FROM?

      Can’t you see the GREAT things that Trump has done for our country, WITHOUT THE HELP OF CONGRESS, or are you guys really blind as a bat? I’m not getting you people. Not one bit.

      Ed Chapman

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      • I’ve been to your own blog, Nyssa.
        I know you’ve read Bad Christian Apocalyptic. (Is there any other kind?)

        The above is what happens when someone Takes the Mark.
        On Forehead AND Right Hand.
        The instant The Mark goes on, the markee becomes utterly fanatically loyal to The Antichrist, unto death and beyond.

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  1. Wondering said:
    “The Mormons also will teach you that after the last apostle died the Christian church entered into a state of apostasy until 1830 in upstate New York with the Gospel being re-established. ”

    My response:

    All cults say that about themselves when they form a church. Just change the year from 1830 to whatever year they established themselves. Other than “Evangelicals” and Mormons, what cults have you studied? They all say the SAME THING about themselves.

    GENERALLY, it’s due to the CATHOLICS CHURCH, and so they will rail against the CATHOLICS for bringing in PAGAN RITUALS into Christianity. These cults are generally the CHRISTMAS AND EASTER, and HALLOWEEN HATERS.

    Ed Chapman

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  2. Hitler aside, these folks would not have even said the same thing about Obama’s election. Selectively, they reject a choice made by voters outside of their group and insist the choice made from inside their group is God’s Will.

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  3. Of course, Putin seems like an even likelier candidate for the Antichrist….Trump may be too much of a puppet of other nations to be the Antichrist, too easily manipulated by Putin, Erdogan, the leaders of Saudi Arabia, etc. Putin’s definitely smarter than Trump, and he’s got the Russian Orthodox Church in his pocket (the Prophet). The Church is so far following his bidding that they bless nuclear weapons and separated from the rest of us when the Ecumenical Patriarch supported Ukraine. Putin’s tentacles have been reaching all over–all documented as truth, and not conspiracy theories, by intelligence agencies. He’s even got members of the GOP doing what he wants, along with Trump. Through Trump, American Evangelicals are falling into Putin’s trap as well. I was raised in premillennial dispensationalism during Rapture Fever. I’ve tried to set that all aside and be more amillennial, after much study and becoming (Greek) Orthodox–but those alarm bells keep going off.

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    • Well, considering that THE Antichrist will be setting up shop in THE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM, proclaiming to be THE CHRIST (savior), and the ONLY ONES awaiting a SAVIOR is the JEWS, and NO ONE ELSE…

      and the Jews KNOW that THE CHRIST is the SON OF DAVID, meaning that The Christ is a descendant of King David…

      Meaning that THE ANTI-CHRIST must be a JEW, not a Gentile, then unless PUTIN IS A JEW, strike Putin off the list of potential candidates that he’s gonna proclaim himself to be God.

      It really amazes me how people can flamboyantly make claims about WHO the anti-Christ is, without any BASIC criteria of the qualifications of what THE ANTI-CHRIST must have.

      They just throw the word out there, and see’s if it sticks.

      The 7th Day Adventists believe that THE Anti-Christ will be THE LAST POPE. Well, history has shown that there has NEVER BEEN a Jewish Pope to begin with, and no, Peter was not a Pope.

      The Catholics HATE the Jews for killing Jesus…case in point…Who produced the PASSION OF CHRIST? Mel Gibson is antisemitic, a Jew hater, an inheritance he got from CATHOLICISM…THE OLD SCHOOL Catholicism before Vatican 2. And he’s hard core. So, there will be NO JEW POPE, so strike that off the list of potential candidates for an ANTI-CHRIST as well.

      Ed Chapman

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  4. Now, regarding Mormons.
    Remember this classic essay?
    https://baptistnews.com/article/mormons-southern-baptist-zombies/#.XeFiXNWIbIV

    The thesis is that Mormons hit all the metrics of Real True Christians (witnessing, family values, faithfulness, faith) more than the RTCs themselves. So to the Christian hindbrain, they must be more Christian.

    I’d be surprised if Mormon culture DIDN’T resemble Evangelical culture. The Mormons originated in “The Burned-Over District” of upstate New York in the 1830s, i.e. the Weird Religion Capital of the time. Burned over by Revival after Revival after Revival that later became today’s Evangelicalism. Both came from the same culture; the Mormons (like the Millerites who eventually became the SDAs) even began heavily into End Times Prophecy. (Joseph Smith — Hal LIndsay of his time?) Same background culture, same tropes, same conventional TRVTHs. Culturally, they’re identical.

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