This post at The Wondering Eagle looks at how James MacDonald tests his followers loyalty. It can either be through the Vertical tattoo or the coin Harvest Bible Chapel pastors are expected to carry. In addition this blog learned that at the final pastors and wives retreat before the fracture of the Fellowship, James MacDonald allegedly put many of his pastors in a difficult position and pressured them to get the Vertical Church tattoo.
“Loyalty means nothing unless it has at its heart the absolute principle of self-sacrifice.”
Woodrow Wilson
“You cannot buy loyalty; you cannot buy the devotion of hearts, minds, and souls. You have to earn these things.”
Clarence Francis
“The only people I owe my loyalty to are those who never made me question theirs.”
Anonymous
24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 NIV
James MacDonald
James MacDonald sermon clip.
There is some more information about James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel that this blog has acquired. Part of this is already known, but the incident in Phoenix this blog is going to reveal I don’t believe has been shared before. This post is hard to do because there are a lot of gaps. Therefore what I am going to do is do a separate subheading and list some of the questions that exist. If people can fill in the gaps this blog will be grateful. Let’s start this post with a look at the Vertical tattoo.
The Vertical Tattoo
One of the weirdest aspects to Harvest Bible Chapel is the Vertical tattoo. It appears that James MacDonald got the tattoo during the Vertical Church Tour in 2012. During that tour James MacDonald visited 40 cities on a two month bus tour and he decided to get a tattoo for the event. The tattoo was shown off by James MacDonald in the video in which he is interviewed by Mark Driscoll. You can read about it here. It appears from my research that the video has been taken down. I wonder if The Elephant’s Debt has it achieved or if someone out there does have a copy in their possession. James MacDonald was not the only one to get the Vertical tattoo during the Vertical Church Tour. In the following Facebook post a number of people discussed how they got one in Dallas, Texas. The tattoo is really just the Harvest Bible Chapel logo that is done on James right arm. From what my sources tell me James is fiercely proud of his tattoo and he boasts of it. What this blog has learned is that some of the former members of Harvest Bible Chapel refer to James MacDonald’s tattoo as the “Mark of the Beast.” James MacDonald uses the tattoo to support Harvest branding, marketing and to do something “shocking.” This will provide a transition into a disturbing situation that happened with James MacDonald and a number of Harvest Bible Chapel pastors in Phoenix, Arizona in 2017.
An Incident in Phoenix, Arizona that Illustrates How Harvest is a Cult
This information came from one source who shared it with me. I took the information and was able to independently confirm this with another source. The second source is also solid. So this information is solid. This took place at the regular senior pastor and wives retreat at Phoenix, Arizona. This was he final retreat before James MacDonald blew up Harvest Bible Fellowship on an impulsive rage. At the retreat James MacDonald paid for a tattoo article for Harvest Bible Chapel pastors to get a Vertical Church tattoo. The Vertical tattoo was free and James MacDonald allegedly wanted his pastors to get the tattoo. This created a stir and many pushed back and MacDonald relented. But James MacDonald got the message across. So a number of Harvest Bible Chapel pastors lined up one by one to get the Vertical tattoo. James MacDonald had wanted them and many blindly went along and got a tattoo. This blog would like to find out which pastors got a Vertical church tattoo. If you know please comment below and I can create a separate post that keeps track of who got this tattoo. It will be able to allow me and those who read about James MacDonald to see what kind of influence he had among Harvest Bible Fellowship pastors and more. For me this information further confirms that Harvest Bible Chapel is a cult.
Questions That Need to be Asked
- Does the XLT have tattoos?
- To join the XLT do you have to get the Vertical tattoo?
- What led James MacDonald to embrace the tattoo?
- How many Harvest Bible Chapel pastors have the Vertical tattoo?
- Why a tattoo? Why not jewelry? Or clothing? Or some other item?
- Is the Vertical Church tattoo been pushed among the congregation?
- How many members or attenders have gotten the Vertical Church tattoo?
- Have there been people from Harvest who had the tattoo and have it removed?
How Harvest Bible Chapel Uses Coins
There is another issue that also exists. Others from my understanding have already looked at this topic. Harvest Bible Chapel gives out coins to their pastors. I asked around for a picture of one and was told by different sources that when a person leaves Harvest they have to turn it back in. Now to give you perspective there is nothing wrong with Harvest having a coin. Coins can be found in law enforcement, military and government and other settings. Coins can be called challenge coins or when someone retires or leaves they can be given a coin. Let me give you some examples to make my point. Here is an example a coin for law enforcement. For example it looks like the Los Angeles Police Department has challenge coins. The Chicago Police Department also has challenge coins. In the United States military challenge coins are a part of the culture. Here are some examples for the United States Marine Corps. Now what can happen is that different bases or units can have their own coin. Another example of coins is among the federal government. For example here is a coin from the National Reconnaissance Office for sale on EBAY. So the point of all this is that I don’t want you to think that there is a problem in having a coin. Many professional organizations have a coin.
What is different about Harvest Bible Chapel is how they use the coins. From what I have heard from my sources Harvest Bible Chapel pastors allegedly have to carry one at all times. Harvest leadership will stop, demand for the pastor to produce the coin. Many pastors live in fear of James MacDonald and the last thing you want is to not have a coin. If you are asked to produce a coin and you don’t have it you will be yelled at and ridiculed. It appears that there might be some stories inside Harvest Bible Chapel regarding coins and individual situations. If you are in the know and would like to share here at The Wondering Eagle you are free to do so. According to one former Harvest pastor I interacted with I was told that when you leave Harvest you have to turn in the coin. You are not allowed to keep it.
The Issue of Loyalty
In cults many cult leaders will take some kind of action or try and create an environment that will reward loyalty to their leader. They can use loyalty as a means to test the flock and weed out the “week” and consolidate their base. They will test, push the limits and see what they can get away with. I want to be careful with the analogy I am about to share but let me share one example that came to mind. Before the mass murder and suicide in Jonestown in 1978, Jim Jones used to test the members who followed him. For example Jones would test his members and rehearsed the planned suicide. People lined up and took the flavor aid in mass. Afterward Jim Jones stated that they passed the test.
Now please understand I am not saying that James MacDonald is Jim Jones. That is not why I am saying this. I am using that incident in Jonestown as an example of how loyalty would be tested. All cults have means to test their members or followers. Many cults create personality cults as well. One of the things I have heard is that in Harvest Bible Chapel there are some pastors who have tried to emulate James MacDonald. This is not unique as this also happened in Sovereign Grace Ministries. In Sovereign Grace there were pastors who imitated C.J. Mahaney. There were people in the Sovereign Grace movement who shaved their head and tried to make themselves look like Mahaney. A couple of years back I wrote about the personality cult of the celebrity pastor using John Piper as an example. You can read that in, “The Little Red Book…of John Piper?“
What you see in this post is about loyalty tests that James MacDonald has implemented. James wants to control people and as a narcissist he wants to the center of attention. The loyalty tests come in different forms. From requiring Harvest Bible Chapel pastors to produce a coin to pressuring pastors at a retreat to get a Vertical Church tattoo. In the end James MacDonald is testing his followers just like Jim Jones and every other cult leader has tested their followers. The goal of these tests is not only to test loyalty but to see what you can get away with. How far can I push the envelope with questionable behavior? How far will people continue to support me? Healthy belief systems don’t function in this context. People are allowed to chose how they want to act. In other situations people are allowed to walk away in freedom. A healthy system does not require such loyalty tests. I can’t emphasize this enough. People need to leave Harvest Bible Chapel. They need to stop supporting the machine with their tithes or their presence. The information presented here should give you pause. Red flags should be going off in your mind. If you have loved ones at any Harvest Bible Chapel you should be concerned about their health and concerned for them. But now is the time to leave Harvest Bible Chapel.
Wondering Eagle 
This article is so ridiculous it’s laughable. I am involved at Harvest. Most of the leaders I know actually do not have a tattoo. I myself am a leader at one of the campuses and I have never been pressured to get one. Actually, no one has ever even brought it up. I have absolutely no merchandise with that logo. Nor am I planning on getting anything with it. I myself am not crazy about this logo being plastered everywhere and I have mentioned it to quite a few people in the church. As far as the coin. Are you kidding me? Pastor’s are ridiculed if they are caught not carrying it? I read this out loud to two other Harvest pastors and they are laughing at how absolutely ridiculous this is.
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Truth
I have met some1 that has a tattoo suggested by and paid for by James..
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This site is out of DC?
So why is he so worried about Harvest Church in Chicagoland ?!?
This site exists simply to hurt Gods kingdom and cater to Christianaphobes!
This cat is hellbound but YOU don’t have to be!
Why do these people hate Pastor James Macdonald and Harvest? I think it’s clear. They hate all successful churches!
If you want to see INSTANTLY that this site is the devil’s dominion go to Harvest where they will force you to drink poisoned koolaid and get their mark of the beast upon you and their secret decoder coin in your pocket! Booo ha ha!!!!
Just kidding.
Haha!
That’s how they portray a church. A normal church.
You won’t reckognize anything said here actually at Harvest Bible Church.
But you WILL see a Harvest Church that is successful at winning souls. This is why these weak minded hellbound minions on here float all kinds of laughable lies!
No fellow humans-
at Harvest you’ll find many different kinds of people amoung the many 1000’s that attend. All have sinned and fallen short. All are trying to make their way through a very tough fallen world.
Just like YOU. Some are great. Others are jerks. See for yourself so your not just another dumb “headless Unicorn” repeating lies in this echo chamber of Christianaphobes run by a church hater out of DC.
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BJW reached was contacted by a Harvest member on twitter. BJW offered to buy the Harvest member coffee and talk face to face. This was the response.
“im good, why would i waste my time with people who have no intention to listen and only to spread lies about a church/ group of people because of unreasonableness and Hatred?”
Has this member been programed to call people with differing views “liars” and judge those that call out child sexual abuse cover up as having “hatred” in their hearts?
I agree, “Unreasonableness” is a problem. You can’t reason with a supreme leaders that has complete control.
I’m just a guy that wanted to buy coffee and talk.
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Have you shown ANY interest in the truth?
What good would come from meeting up w/ YOU?
Why this constant desire to meet up?
Is this your Grinder? Why the constant request to meet up?
How about this:
actually GO TO HARVEST and talk to people and THEN report back!?!!
I bet you wouldn’t even pay for the coffee if we did meet up.
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Wow! What a bunch of jerks.
I came on here to give an alternate point of you to the propaganda.
Some TRUTH!
Not one thing I stated was false. Not 1!
So it’s either go along w/ your LIES or be browbeaten?
You Christianaphobes.
You haters of TRUTH.
I asked questions and not 1 was answered. (NOT 1!)
Satan literally means “the deceiver.” And this site exists to deceive. Congratulations because you’re doing some very dark work here.
I’ve been attacked in the most Goddless of ways. Hateful hurtful and filled with untruths.
Jesus was a friend of sinners and Pastor James McDonald could do well by trying to reach and help a radio host or any other influencer in Chicago or elsewhere that could proclaim to the masses the truth of Jesus Christ. You have a problem with that too?
He doesn’t just preach to the converted or “to the choir.”
And that upsets you? What bastard people.
I would never get the vertical tattoo but yourstory here is so so filled with lies.
Just flat out lies!
I hope they sue you too!!!
Seriously!
Do you have any interest in the truth whatsoever?
Nobody got that vertical tattoo for any other reason than they think it’s cool! And all already HAD other but now are saved and have added Christ, Crosses, and that cool vertices logo. And it IS cool. Jealous?
A bunch of men trying to live Christ centered Bible-based honest lives in their marriages and in their business and you slam THAT?
Some got the Vertical logo. Which had produced some popular music around the world. And THATS evil? Would you rather they got a pearl jam tattoo or something such as that? Maybe some Chinese writing? Something tribal? Anything but something that points up towards Jesus Christ?
You all are lost.
Pray.
I’m inviting ALL of you to meet me at Harvest (but only when Pastor James is there LIVE) for some GOD and Bible.
You sure need it.
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Restate your questions please..
Ill answer each one line by line..
Coffee anytime…on me..
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Why do you want to have coffee w/ me?
You don’t invite others on this site to hang out w/ you?
It makes me think everyone else on here is in reality you or just your fellow atheist buddies. This is the devil’s echo chamber.
And I’m a fool to respond here.
I’ll meet you (and these other clowns of hatred) @ Harvest Bible Church when Pastor James is live. Deal?
You people really should get out and experience this place you hate so much. But then you’d want to stop all this.
Your “wondering” would end. BOOM! (Mic drop!)
The coffee was kind of stale last night at the Saturday night service at Harvest actually…
Here’s a few headlines for you:
“Pastor James HATES his parishioners and forces them to drink dirt water!”
“Pastor James skimps on the good beans for his cult all the while sinisterly sipping the very best Folgers (WITH FLAVOR CRYSTALS!).”
“In an attempt to destroy Starbucks Pastor James serves coffee in his lobby!”
“How sexist is this Bible of theirs that they don’t think WOMEN can make a decent cup of Joe?!? Read about it in HEbrews.”
Lying is easy for you character assassins.But only Gods TRUTH will set you free!
You said you’d answer my questions:
Have you ever been to Harvest and seen Pastor James Preach LIVE?
Why do you do this site?
Were you at ANY time hurt at a church emotionally?
Did you dislike your parents for making you attend church?
Why you a Christianaphobe?
Have you ever spent time in a prison shower or had fantasies to that effect?
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Be careful of the coffee ploy. A security employee/volunteer/redeemed former Harvest member for TED made the same offer to me. He claimed to have those three roles during the time he was posting. I truly believe it was a Harvest plant.
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I remain free for coffee and willing to meet with anyone on either side of the discussion…
Are you sure I was not the man offering coffee on TED?
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And HBC’s regular Sock Puppet chimes in yet again.
(Another Defender of The Faith with the Keys to the Kingdom in his hands and Power to Cast Into Eternal Hell. Like what comes out of the woodwork on any and every spiritual abuse watchblog when a corrupt preacher/church comes under scrutiny. Wartburg Watch, Spiritual Sounding Board, Elephant’s Debt…)
Looks like Eagle’s got another regular troll.
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Headless Unicorn moron-
worst fake name ever? Do you have an avatar? Can you post it here? Please! Is it just a guy w/ no head or do you hold the unicorn head? Headless is such a perfect representation of you?
Ha! Great comeback you posted! Someone w/ that witless weak fake name would scream “TROLL!” when they LOSE! And you DID lose.
Oh boy have I kicked your ass at every turn! You have zero facts! And your comebacks? I fear you are somebody’s “special boy” and I’m just …
Look IF you have mental issues I regret this.
Please understand I can ONLY respond based on your lackluster low IQ attacks on me, Jesus, and his kingdom, here.
You are obviously a Christianaphobe and a tool. Maybe a tool of the devil also . But most assuredly a tool.
Headless. Unicorn. Guy.
Haha!
How can you dislike a guy w/ THAT as his handle?
Sad.
Pray for God to give you wisdom and a better fake name?
You chose that? Hilarious if you are just some hate filled slob but pitiful if you are
Mentally challenged.
If you are “special” let me know so I can lay off. (And I will feel bad.)
Bye bye and be a real good boy. And stop lying like a real good boy. Real good. I bet mommy loves you.
Justice at the mall has lots of unicorn shirts and posters and stickers. Yeaaa!
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You will meet anyone in person, but only when Pastor James is there live? But you’re not James? 😂
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Oh my! Please! Why do you think I’m pastor James? I would HOPE he wouldn’t do this. “The eagle doesn’t hunt the flea.” When doing an exorcism you don’t engage w/ the demons. Why would he waste his time debating satans underlings here? You lie and lie so why?
And now another shocker!
I actually go to other churches too. I am NOT a Harvest member.
Haven’t found the perfect home exactly YET.
I don’t like video services. So when it’s a replay or guest I go elsewhere. But Pastor James LIVE in the pulpit is hard to beat!
Although I do find the Macdonald boys do have preaching abilities.
A Pastor Moe (think that’s what he’s called) knocked me out the only time I saw him.
I responded as a fellow human because of the ridiculous and obvious lies here. That’s what prompted me to respond.Now I’m “Pastor James or an insider?”
It makes me laugh because my responses are COMMON SENSE! Anyone (even if they NEVER set foot in a Harvest Church or heard of Pastor James) could argue w/ you liars. Debate 101! It’s just so obviously FAKE NEWS!
My guess is that after the disgruntled ex-elders from a decade ago knew they were going to tread legal waters for all their lying they started THIS. It’s all propaganda.
I thought the response from Harvest was too weak and nice.
Anyway,
I will also go to The Chapel,Lifechangers, and Willowcreek.
At Willow I found great productions and good people.But eventually I also NEEDED more BIBLE and have found that at Harvest.
I thought Willow would be a great intro to Jesus and Christianity for nonbelievers like the ilk that are found here. Now I don’t know. Hybels was a great leader I just wish he would’ve been deeper biblically.
I HATE that I’m not seeing crosses in many churches now.
I would prefer if the Vertical Worship logo had a cross at the top.
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Well, there we have it right from the mouth of Fellow Human.
If it is someone other than James preaching, he goes someplace else.
What would we call that?
A James MacDonald worshiper.
Now we can understand why Fellow Human is so engaged in defending James to us, we are speaking ill of his god.
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Pearl Jam? Chinese writing? Tribal?
You say that like it’s a bad thing….
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Haha! No no!
I’m saying people got the Verticke Worship tattoo cause it’s a cool.
Not because they were forced like at a prison camp like these liars here are spouting.
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Is this James MacDonald, it sure sounds likebyou.
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OK, first I find the church tattoo ironic, because the bible specifically prohibits tattoos.
I think you are spot on with this post. For quite a while I’ve been looking for a name for this idea, the “difficult and pointless thing you do which has no purpose other than to prove your loyalty.” I’ve heard this called “honest, hard-to-fake, expensive symbols of commitment” but that’s too long a name. This can include things like mormon two-year missions, fraternity hazings, huge expensive engagement rings, or gang tattoos (which is exactly what we’re seeing here.)
I think this functions on two levels. First, the more outrageous and pointless the thing is, the better proof of loyalty it is. Someone who says they follow you might be lying, but if they are willing to go as far as getting a tattoo, they probably aren’t. And once you have gotten someone to do something pointless and stupid, it’s easier to push them into the next thing. “You’ve already done A, how much harder is it to go ahead and do B?” A step at a time, you draw them into being controlled.
But also, people value a thing more when they have worked hard to achieve it. We prize the first car we worked hard to earn more than one our parents handed us. And we prize membership in a club when it was hard to get in to and expensive to join. So if someone has been carrying a coin, and enduring being chewed out and other nonsense, and getting a tattoo, just to get into “James McDonald’s inner circle”, the work they put into getting there will make them feel there is more value to staying there, and they will resist efforts to get them to abandon it.
And yes, this is dangerous. James McDonald may not be Jim Jones, but every cult leader who wound up like Jim Jones started out like McDonald.
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I’ve heard about one ManaGAWD whose Loyalty Test for his Elders was to hand him a glass of “poison” and order him to drink it. Don’t remember the name but he was some kind of Big Name IFB Megapastor, NOT Jim Jones.
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Click to access North-Valley-Baptist-Church-Staff-Manual-Jack-Trieber.pdf
Was it this guy? He is in my area, and for some reason I read his staff handbook this week. It was linked to something else I reard. I don’t understand how one man can write this much or manage everything in his church. A lot of it is terribly petty and self-serving. Of course, being IFB, Jack T would never have a tattoo!
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This guy is so dumb. “I heard Han Solo’s ship the Falcon is real fast so… Mom?!! (Gulp gulp.) Where’s my sandwich?!!”
I heard the moon was flat?
What else have you heard?
Dummy.
Go to Harvest and SEE FOR YOURSELF if you can get out of Mom’s basement.
You are an obvious Christianaphobe.
Headless, may I ask you a question? Seriously. Because I can tell.
Were you raised by a single mother?
Is it possible you have this irrational hatred of Pastor James Macdonald because you hate strong men in leadership rolls?
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This guy is so dumb. “I heard Han Solo’s ship the Falcon is real fast so… Mom?!! (Gulp gulp.) Where’s my sandwich?!!”
I heard the moon was flat?
What else have you heard?
Dummy.
Go to Harvest and SEE FOR YOURSELF if you can get out of Mom’s basement.
You are an obvious Christianaphobe.
Headless, may I ask you a question? Seriously. Because I can tell.
Were you raised by a single mother?
Is it possible you have this irrational hatred of Pastor James Macdonald because you hate strong men in leadership rolls?
Have you ever prayed?
Do you proofread your pablum BEFORE you post it?
It’s written at about a 2nd grade level.
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“Over a paven plain that seemed unending
They passed unfaltering till it found an end
In one easy step; and these descending
Fared forth anew as long away to wend.
“I thought they travelled for a thousand years;
And at the end was nothing for them all,
For all that splendor of scepters and of spears,
But a new step, another easy fall.
“The smile of stone seemed but a little less,
The load of silver but a little more;
And ever was that terraced wilderness
And falling plain paved like a palace floor.
“But over them like a subterranean sun
I saw the sign of all the fiends that fell;
And a wild voice cried ‘Hasten and be done,
IS THERE NO STEEPNESS TO THE STAIRS OF HELL?”
— G.K.Chesterton, “Nightmare”, 1923?
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So beautiful. I’ve got tears in my eyes.
Now regurgitate some e.e. Cummings or some Jane Austin or Thoreau or…
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Tell me more about it being prohibited. Help us understand. Old Testament? I know my Jewish friends speak against them.I can look it up. But I’d like to hear your version first.
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Leviticus 19:28. It’s very specific.
However, I have read your other comments, and I think “help us understand” is pretty disingenuous on your part. I have seen no attempts from you to understand anything, only to condescend, ridicule, name call and gaslight. Very telling behavior, from somebody who claims to have “the Truth™”.
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You don’t sound mentally or spiritually well, Fellow Human. You need help, you might just need Jesus. You certainly need to get your head clear and get away from Harvest and Mr. MacDonald.
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When a Youth Pastor charged w Child Sexual Exploitation is covered up, the gloves come off and loyalty must be questioned…
Call us whatever name you like. Pray we are unbiblically sued.. And keep telling yourself it’s you who honors God.
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My understanding is all the authorites WERE notified immediately by a hero named Landon “Lando” Macdonald.
Any hint of a coverup WOULD be dispicable !
But again you have no proof!
“Jre2 kills kittens for his sexual pleasure.” Someone could SAY that about you! Now prove it wrong!
Lots of Christianaphobia here but not much TRUTH.
Gossip? Innuendo? Gigantic leaps of logic? Yes!!!!
Truth? Not so much.
Is your ONLY source the disgraced bitter former elders currently losing in the courts?
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Wrong.
Harvest’s letter to the basketball team is not gossip.
Harvest’s letter to a small group of parents is not gossip. Its posted on their website.
The ongoing failure to inform all parents is not gossip. I never got a letter.
Neither letter said Child Sexual Exploitation.
The letter to the B ball team called the alleged predator a “great” young man.
The letter to the select group of parents stated the alleged Pred would continue going to Church in Aurora.
No mention of DCFS, Sex Crimes, Police… Just flowers and poetry and continued access for the man who was charged with Child Sexual Exploitation by Kane County PD which is not gossip but it is public record.
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS PUBLIC RECORD ? THE DATE JAMES FILED HIS LAWSUIT TO SILENCE WAS 1 DAY BEFORE THE “GREAT GUY WELCOME AT AURORA” TURNED HIMSELF IN CHARGED WITH CHILD SEXUAL EXPLOITATION.
ALL PUBLIC RECORD…
I’m sure I’ve seen you at HBC Elgin before. Your Coffee offer stands. You, especially intrigue me.
Would you prefer mexican skirt steak? Mr Beef? French? Name it.. Ill buy..
Lets sit down and talk. Maybe you can help me protect the kids at Harvest.
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JRETOO “IMPORTANT” QUESTIONS ANSWERED .
Have you ever been to Harvest and seen Pastor James Preach LIVE?
A. MANY TIMES
Why do you do this site?
A. TED was shutdown…Had to find new platforms to discuss sexual exploitation cover up.
Were you at ANY time hurt at a church emotionally?
A. Lied to alot at Harvest, disapointed perhaps.
Did you dislike your parents for making you attend church?
A. Not in an unusual manner. At times I would have preferred to stay home but nothing abnormal.
Why you a Christianaphobe?
A. I AM A CHRISTIAN.
Have you ever spent time in a prison shower or had fantasies to that effect?
A. No, but I often dream of buying fellow human coffee.
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Okay now I know “fellow human” and James MacDonald are one in the same. That is not a compliment. These posts from “fellow human” are childish.
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DD wrote: “Okay now I know “fellow human” and James MacDonald are one in the same.”
Actually, I believe we established that it’s Mancow. 😉
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So…
All that read here…Please pay close attention.
Harvest members have decided this blog is the most far left of all the resistance.
They will continue to come out on this page to attempt to personalize and polarize the “crazy” people.
Why?
Because it gives Harvest Leadership an enemy to point to…A way to set a battle field with enemies that Harvest has painted as atheist..
For the record..”Im im Church every Sunday, part of a weekly DG, and a Mens Ministry.”
In The End the truth is clear.
James Macdonald has lied while using the pulpit and tithe to his hearts desire. Harvest Leadership has minimized and covered up Child Sexual Exploitation. Disqualified.Disqualified.Disqualified
Right next to the pit of lies this man has dug over the years stands a mountain of truth. Lets cut through the spin and reject these attempts to reset a narrative in which James is the victim.
We will sit down with anyone, face to face, on my dime..
We are not trolls hiding in the shadows.
Peace!
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For me, the way some MacDonald followers choose to respond just puts the C in Crazy. They don’t help their cause, at least not here, because they are so bombastic and dismissive of others. Unfortunately, I’ve been in a couple of churches where the pastors weren’t above board (not as unique as MacDonald, though). I found it was best to acknowledge there were issues, and in the one case where it was so bad (adulterous pastor in a small town), I quietly left and found a healthier place of worship. The church wouldn’t do anything, and being a group of 1, I couldn’t either, but i could vote with my feet. Enough of us did that, and the church fell apart. After 30 years, it still hasn’t recovered, and i have long considered that God’s discipline for ignoring the obvious.
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My hand on the Bible!
NOBODY has told me to retort your lies!
NOBODY!
And it’s very easy to scapegoat that way.
Anyone that question the lies here is “a troll@ or “a Harvest plant.”
You crazies here however are those throwing stones! Lying! And Christianaphobes.
As stated : the INLY goal of this site is to DESTROY Pastor James Macdonald.
Some of us just don’t agree. That doesn’t make us bad people does it now snowflake?
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Wow so vicious! I was a member at HBC for 6 1/2 years, worked in ministries. It took me many years to see that the MacDonald you see on stage is not the one in day to day life. He is a strong preacher, very gifted. I left because of MacDonalds character. But let me sum up my time there, having been a Christian for 40+ years, was a member of some good sound Bible teaching churches. This is something I cant say of any other church I was a member. I regret the 6 1/2 years I invested and the tens of thousands of dollars I tithed at HBC.
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We don’t need to.
PASTOR James MacDonald is doing a pretty good job of it on his lonesome.
P.S. Eagle never even mentioned PASTOR James MacDonald much until this scandal broke about a month ago. Now we’re getting the flamewar like usually happens on other blogs when “Evolution” or “Homosexuality” is uttered.
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Not true. Another out and out lie.
Jretoo I expected a more measured response.
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Jretoo, if you meet up with Fellow Human (who doesn’t sound very human), please be careful. I’ve met enough unhinged Christians in my six decades of life that I won’t deal with some unless it’s public, with the two or three witnesses. FH doesn’t seem to have time for anything else except online rants.
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He ain’t coming out from behind the anonymity of the internet. But then again, I don’t think actual documents and eyewitnesses of all garbage behind the scenes at HBC would convince him anyway.
So ultimately there’s no need to feed the trolls, folks.
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It’s called “Net Drunk”.
Or “Instant A-Hole, just add Broadband and an anonymous Handle.”
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WE ARE DEVO!
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“Successful mass movements need not believe in a god, but they must believe in a devil.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
(And the Devil’s servants — WITCHES — hiding everywhere to be smelled out and burned.)
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Any “Dear Leader” who goes to the extremes of tattoos and coins for his followers to prove their loyalty is either totally narcissistic, mentally unhinged, or both. New Testament believers were known for their otherness by their personal holiness and tendency to be persecuted. The Apostle Paul did not have an “insiders club”, but he did establish and encourage many others in ministry. Given the size of Harvest ministries, I can’t imagine how MacDonald would have ever thought this would all have stayed a secret in the day of the internet and social media.
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He thought it would stay a secret because “I SAY SO!”
When you’re God’s Speshul Pet (at least in your own mind) with Delusions of Grandeur…
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Secret!?!
SECRET?!?
Are you insane?!!
It’s all over the place!
These aren’t tramp stamp tattoos placed above the buttocks that can be hidden by pulling ones T-shirt down! (Although it be hilarious if Pastor James did THAT!)
These men from this church have that cool tattoo because they like it and they identify w/ the message.They show them proudly!
Just like my pal that got a stupid Pearl Jam tattoo in the 90’s. I don’t get it but it’s not some evil organized GIJoe enemy Cobra type deal.
Grow up!
Vertical Worship is Americans version of Hillsong.It is popular Christian music. Not as popular yet but growing.
And the logo is COOL!
But if you think ALL tattoos are evil well then that’s a different arguement.
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Secret!?!
SECRET?!?
Are you insane?!!
It’s all over the place!
These aren’t tramp stamp tattoos placed above the buttocks that can be hidden by pulling ones T-shirt down! (Although it be hilarious if Pastor James did THAT!)
These men from this church have that cool tattoo because they like it and they identify w/ the message.They show them proudly!
Just like my pal that got a stupid Pearl Jam tattoo in the 90’s. I don’t get it but it’s not some evil organized GIJoe enemy Cobra type deal.
Grow up!
Vertical Worship is Americans version of Hillsong.It is popular Christian music. Not as popular yet but growing.
And the logo is COOL!
But if you think ALL tattoos are evil well then that’s a different arguement.
God bless you and I hope you will consider what I’m saying w/ an open heart.
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Speshul?
You mean SPECIAL?
Poor dumb “Headless” guy.
The name fits after all.
If you do have a head it’s completely shoved up your-
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Speshul?
You mean SPECIAL?
Poor dumb “Headless” guy.
The name fits after all.
If you do have a head it’s completely shoved up your-
Class prevents me from going further.
You Christianaphobes really can’t stop fibbing.
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Has anyone mentioned the rings some of the pastors were given?
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AKA Buck Sergeant’s stripes with a spike on top.
AKA “The Mark of the James”.
If you’re a Preterist, the Mark of the Beast was a labels-filed-off echo of what Caesar Domitian (a Third Caligula, Nero being the second) was trying to enforce on his people at the time of writing — a Proof-of-Loyalty-to-Caesar tattoo to reverse-mark all Disloyals for Purging. (Jerk Bosses are often obsessed with Loyalty Unto ME, and when said Jerk Boss is Emperor of Rome with life-or-death power over the entire Empire…)
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“I kill my own mother and still they cheer me!”
— Caesar Nero, in Paul Maier’s historical novel The Flames of Rome
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Great book, Unicorn! 👍🏼
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“Both Wartburg Watch and Internet Monk had a troll who’d pull that all the time; once Eagle traced his IP address showing different handles, different names, same IP addy.“
Good to know. Can you trace Fellow Human to see if IP is from Elgin, now Naples? Just wondering.
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The IP address is Willamette, Illinois. Most of the IPs are coming from Skokie, Elgin, Gurnee, etc..
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Mancow’ Muller buys Wilmette house for $2 million, disses Chicago again
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James is destroying himself, no one else needed.
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“Whose Name is on this coin?”
“HBC.”
“And whose Image?”
“Pastor James.”
“Then render unto HBC what HBC is due, unto Pastor James what Pastor James is due, and unto God what God is due.”
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You really got worked up.
Calm down.
Have you tried Jesus for all this hate?
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Passive-aggressive backhand worthy of my Sociopath brother.
You know the most common characteristic of a Sociopath is to reverse the blame by the “You’re the One With the Problem” accusation. Doubly so if done with calm, concern, and compassion.
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I want one!
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This is absolutely disgusting that people on here are gobbling up this garbage from your “confirmed” sources. The tattoo story is a flat out lie. As I said, I am a leader at a HBC Chicago campus. I have NEVER been pressured to get that tattoo. No one, including James, has ever even mentioned how “cool” it would be or that James would aprreciate it or that it would prove my loyalty. The discussion of me or anyone else who doesn’t have that tattoo to get one has never been brought up. You people make it seem like it’s some sort of cult that the leaders need or are pressured into getting one.
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Speechless thanks for your comment. When people like yourself comment you reveal your state of mind and the culture you come from. I stand by my sources who have been verified. The incident in Phoenix, Arizona has been confirmed by independent sources. Feel free to comment away.
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My independent source tells me you wear your mutha’s Panties!
Such nonsense! You are making this shiznit up yo!
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Thank you “speechless” FINALLY another voice of reason besides me.
It’s been lonely in here w/ these Christianaphobes.
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Assuming “Speechless” isn’t just another of HBC’s Sock Puppets.
Both Wartburg Watch and Internet Monk had a troll who’d pull that all the time; once Eagle traced his IP address showing different handles, different names, same IP addy.
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