Philip Yancey is Bewildered on Why So Many Evangelical Christians Adore Donald Trump

Philip Yancey wrote a hard hitting blog post a couple of months back about evangelical Christians supporting Donald Trump. In his blog post he said that civility, religion and truth took a hit when many evangelicals wrapped themselves around a man who boasted of sexual assault. This is a write up of Phil Yancey’s article and his video as well. Yancey quotes Shane Claiborne who said that mixing politics and religion is like mixing ice cream and horse manure. Donald Trump is what happens when evangelical Christians decided to sit down, put on a bib and feast on shit. Many Trump supporters also are not going to be able to say they made a mistake and will be like many Sovereign Gracers in the end. 

“Society’s tainted perception of evangelicals especially grieves me.  As a writer, for four decades I have lived within that world.  They are my tribe, my community of faith.  I wrote a column for Christianity Today magazine, a mainstream evangelical publication, for thirty-six years.  Now the word has such a negative connotation that Fuller Seminary has publicly repented for whatever they’ve contributed to shame and abuse by using the word evangelical.”

Philip Yancey

“I got a taste of the strong feelings about this election when I gave an interview to a journalist in Spain last September.  We discussed the paradox of American evangelicals’ support for a billionaire who makes his money from casinos, offends women and minorities, and boasts about his extramarital conquests.  I admitted that I, too, was baffled.  I could understand why an evangelical Christian would vote for Trump on the basis of key issues, like abortion.  But to make him a hero, a standard-bearer for Christians?  I had no explanation.”

Philip Yancey 

Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

John 14:6 NLT

Soul Survivor” opens up with Philip Yancey recalling his youth. He talks about a Georgia church he attended when he was younger in life. He writes about how his church had a corner on truth, and in the process had mixed lies with truth. For example the pastor had preached a blatant form of racism in saying that dark races are cursed by God. It was a church that had deep consequences on Philip’s family. One of the tragedies is that the church had turned Philip Yancey’s brother away from faith and religion. Philip wrote about how this church was one of the reasons why his brother had rejected God entirely. 

I deeply identify with what Philip wrote. I had my own burn job and then after spending half my thirties in the secular world for some reason I came back. I have no idea why I resolved some of these issues while others in atheism could not. From time to time I get an occasional email asking me the following question. “Why did you come back to the Christian faith?” Its a good question and I still struggle with it. Since my baptism  I have felt stuck by a false accusation from a former Care Group Leader from a former Sovereign Grace church. But what also left a bitter taste in my mouth is watching this past year and seeing how many Christians embraced and loved Donald Trump. This is especially vexing because I learned why rape and sexual are a problem in the United States military. I am deeply baffled that so many people boast of loving someone who brags about sexual assault.  In addition I have known a couple of people who have pushed back from Christianity over this issue and I honestly can say that I don’t blame them. Today I have asked myself….what am I associated with? What am I part of? And the biggest question of all…why am a part of it? 

In my faith crisis I accidentally discovered Philip Yancey’s “Disappointment with God.” Originally I thought it to be an atheist work, and that is why I decided to read it. In a difficult time in my life Philip Yancey grabbed my ear and he was a lifeline. At the time I did not realize nor know this at all. In the course of time there would be another lifeline in an unexpected way. Sometime back I watched the above video by Philip Yancey on Donald Trump and evangelicals. I found it profoundly refreshing. And recently I was made aware of a post on Philip Yancey’s blog. Philip has an active and robust blog. It has been churning out posts since September 4, 2010. As fate would have it in the 7 year life of his blog the most contentious and controversial article that Philip Yancey wrote was called “Election Reflections: Bridging the Gap.”  If you are reading this now I doubt you have probably read or heard of it. In addition to watching Philip Yancey’s video up above I am going to comment on part of his blog entry. I would encourage you to read the entire blog post. It is a gem. The sad part is when some people say no to a discussion on a topic such as politics, then that means that one cannot discuss what Philip Yancey has said. So let me comment below in red. I used the section of the post in which Philip Yancey explains the three big losses when Christians warmly embraced Donald Trump. 


Three Big Losers

I begin with a warning to fellow-evangelicals.  We dare not gloss over the damage inflicted by last year’s presidential campaign.  Donald Trump likes the word loser: a Twitter archivist has counted 170 times in which Trump called someone a loser in a Tweet.  I see three big losers as a sour legacy of the 2016 election.

First, civility lost.  I must fault Trump especially for debasing the presidential campaign.  He had a pejorative nickname for almost everyone: Crooked Hillary, Crazy Bernie, Low-Energy Jeb, Lyin’ Ted, Little Marco.  In the three presidential debates, Trump interrupted Clinton almost one hundred times.  He bullied people offstage and on, mocking a disabled reporter, disparaging women for their looks or their weight, playing to racist fears and ethnic prejudice.  Bullying, racism, sexism, and xenophobia have always been present in American society, but never before has a candidate for the presidency modeled them so blatantly.  Trump let the bats out of the cave, in effect legitimizing the darkest side of a free society.  When he won, a devout Christian friend sent out an email with a headline referring to Hillary Clinton, “Ding, dong, the witch is dead!”—I cannot imagine her saying that before the Trump campaign.

This contains a lot of truth. One of the issues with Donald Trump is that he brought out the worst in people. He appeals to the worst and darkest instincts of a person and plays to those fears. He lies about everyone, and had a name for everyone. He is a bully, a thug and a man who should not be trusted. Trust is earned and he is a massive failure in many ways. I find it amazing that he can’t even get second Corinthians correct. Two Corinthians as in two Corinthians go into a bar.  Often times many atheists know the Bible better than many evangelical Christians, and that holds true in this case as well. 

I am going to share something sensitive with you. At 35 I was diagnosed with a form of dyslexia that I did not know that I had. Part of the reason why I write is to practice and to improve my writing skills. So I was horrified when I saw Trump mock a disabled person. Jesus stood for the least of these, the broken and the downtrodden. In contrast Trump just wants to grab your pussy. The least of these have been threatened in many ways and there is deep concern about protecting those who have disabilities and more. I am baffled because I have received emails from humanists and atheists and then I look at my Facebook feed and I see how many Christians act. I find myself identifying with many atheists on this issue and think that they represent the Gospel much more than the Christian church today. 

As I wrote in my Russell Moore post Trump has helped make racism fashionable for some evangelicals. In some ways he has tapped into the deep and darkest aspects of society and organizations. By playing on people’s fears he has taught people that its okay to bully. It’s fine to commit an alleged sexual assault. Its okay to engage in gas lighting.  For Donald Trump everything that is decent is to be trashed and thrown away. 

Second, religion lost.  Robert Putnam’s book American Grace ties the rise of the non-religious, or “nones,” to a reaction against the entanglement of religion and politics.  They view Christians as a Moral Majority trying to impose their values on everyone else, and in the process they miss the core gospel message of God’s extravagant love for sinners.  The word evangelical means “good news,” and I think of the many disciplined, selfless people around the world who care for the needy and the suffering and who gather together to worship a God who wants us to thrive in this world.  When the media use the word, however, they have in mind an uptight political lobbying group, mostly white, mostly male, and overwhelmingly Republican.  The good-news tone gets lost in partisan acrimony.  Shane Claiborne said it well: “Mixing Christianity with a political party is like mixing ice cream with horse manure.  It might not harm the manure, but it sure messes up the ice cream.”

Philip Yancey is right here. Religion and the Christian faith took a major hit. As a Christian I am looking forward to the day when Christianity as a “religion” is dead in the United States. Christianity as espoused by many Christians is nothing more than a state-faith movement. There is nothing Christian about much of what comes from the church today. The sad part is that for those who claim to love the Lord by embracing Trump have helped push a lot of people away from the Christian faith. Do they not see what they are doing? When you get a chance read some of the comments that were left at Philip Yancey’s post. For many people being Christian means being white, upper middle class, and living in suburbia. The good news of the Gospel is non-existent in this movement. Meanwhile the “good news” is coming from organizations and ministries who embrace Trump while they cover up child sexual assault. While I am not a person who follows Shane Claiborne very much the analogy he uses is spot on. Mixing Christianity with a political party is like mixing ice cream with horse manure. Its going to taste like shit every single time. At this stage of life I don’t want to hear Christians talking about loving the broken when they themselves can’t or refuse to. I don’t want to hear Christians talk about taking the Gospel to the lost when they themselves are often lost. I don’t want to hear about family values and morality when child sex abuse rages in the Southern Baptist Convention. I just can not stomach to hear much of it at all. 

Perhaps most importantly, truth took a hit.  As if in acknowledgment, the Oxford Dictionaries named post-truth as their Word of the Year 2016; facts took a back seat to appeals to emotion.  When I ask friends why they support Donald Trump, I hear the common response, “He tells it like it is.”  If only.  I opposed the Iraq war from the beginning; I never mocked a disabled reporter; the NFL sent a letter asking me to reschedule the debate; thousands of Muslims celebrated in the streets of New York after 9/11; nobody has more respect for women than I do; millions fraudulently voted for Hillary—all these claims by Trump were provably false, yet not one hurt him in the polls.  Truth didn’t matter.

At the same time, Clinton opponents pounced on her dissembling about email servers, her cover-up of speeches to Wall Street, and the shady dealings of the Clinton Foundation.  Add in the fog caused by fake news stories—many of them concocted in Macedonia, it turns out—and truth emerges as the biggest loser of all.

Sebastian Mallaby, a British reporter from the Economist, described how post-truth distorts reality.  Both the Clinton and Trump campaigns played on fears of the future.  Where is the country’s infectious optimism that won me over as a young journalist? asked Mallaby.  From campaign rhetoric, you’d never guess the facts: during the past decade, abortion, crime, immigration, and unemployment have all declined.  Mallaby urged, “Do not talk the United States into a self-feeding depression.…If Americans can’t fix all their problems, can they at least rediscover their old talent for living cheerfully with them?”

President-elect Trump has backed away from many of his most controversial campaign promises.  He has softened his pronouncements on such matters as jailing Hillary Clinton, mass deportations, military use of torture, climate change, nuclear proliferation, banning all Muslims, abortion, and Obamacare mandates.  What message does this give future politicians?  That truth doesn’t matter?  That you can promise anything to get elected and then immediately pivot, even before you take office?

That kind of Newspeak makes me leery of trusting what Donald Trump says.  After dismissing The New York Times as the scum of the earth during the campaign, President-elect Trump met with reporters and declared the paper “a great, great American jewel.”  He once referred to Ronald Reagan as a “con man”; now he’s the president Trump most admires.  After dismissing Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades as “totally unimportant,” he flipped, labeling him as “the worst abuser of women in the history of politics.”

Many evangelicals and Catholics named abortion as the deciding issue in their vote.  But what is Trump’s position on abortion?  The one in which he said women should be punished for having an abortion, or the one in which he supported Planned Parenthood and said his liberal sister, a pro-choice judge who ruled against restrictions on partial-birth abortions, would make a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice?

According to exit polls, voters mistrusted Hillary Clinton as well, and she too flipped positions during the campaign.  Making political decisions in a post-truth world gets tricky.

Again Philip Yancey nails it. Jesus once said “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” And yet Donald Trump is opposed to truth, as he has no concept of it. Consider what has been said in the news over the last few months. At first NATO is obsolete, then its key to foreign policy. At one point China was a foreign currency manipulator and then he praises China. Previously he said not to get involved in Syria which he said the United States had no interest in, then he bombs it. Then there is the Export – Import bank and criticism during the campaign and then a change of heart apparently. You can read more about some of this in this Atlantic magazine article.  I could go on but I have made my point. 

Jesus values truth and I have become convinced that the Christians who support Trump are indifferent to truth. Truth is not a value in their life at all. Since truth doesn’t matter I came to the conclusion that many blogs that write about spiritual issues will probably be a waste of time. For in the end truth doesn’t matter. Why care about a rape of a child in a Sovereign Grace church if you don’t care about Trump boasting of sexual assault?  After all I was under the impression that rape is rape in all circumstance. Is is not? For many evangelicals it really doesn’t matter because in the end when all you care about is a Supreme Court seat then the end justifies the means, and you can overlook the fact that your man is an alleged predator.  So I am left asking when I see many evangelicals support and love Trump in the wake of  Access Hollywood tape why care about rape or the molestation of a child? Why protest a church like Mars Hill in its final days when former members who are upset with Mark Driscoll turn around and embrace Donald Trump? Is Donald Trump any different than Mark Driscoll? Mark Driscoll is crass, he has called women penis homes, and said that a repentant women gets down on her knees and performs oral sex on her husband. But to his credit Mark Driscoll hasn’t boasted of an alleged sexual assault. Perhaps when I see the penchant of many evangelicals maybe Mars Hill wasn’t so bad after all?  One of the things that attracted me back to Christianity is that people cared about issues like this. At least I thought they did. All I had to do is look at my Facebook feed during the election cycle and see that many are indifferent to truth. Do you see why Donald Trump has been so bad for Christianity? Shane Claiborne is right you can’t mix manure and ice cream as its going to taste like shit every time. And apparently what happened is that many evangelicals put on a bib and sat down to feast on shit. 

The embrace by many evangelicals of Donald Trump has caused me to look at evangelicalism in a much darker light. I learned why people follow Mark Driscoll and the likes of C.J. Mahaney. In the end people sell their soul for something that they want to buy into. They make a trade, one that I believe is quite evil. I also learned that some people will never learn, and that many evangelicals lack the ability to perform intellectual or independent thought. There are many people who once followed C.J. Mahaney who now follow Donald Trump. In the course of time they will follow another person. Many Christians are going to go from cult to cult to cult and not learn a damn thing. Likewise many people are going to go from celebrity, to celebrity to celebrity and not learn a damn thing. The sad part is that many Christians are going to keep many from the Christian faith by their choices. There are indeed stark and dark choices by embracing Donald Trump. I am left wondering how long will it be before we stumble into a war in North Korea or another place? After all as a guy trained academically in history I think of how World War I was triggered and things which were set in motion that then couldn’t be stopped. And the sad part is that if we get into a conflict we will have a Commander in Chief who many people do not respect and struggle to follow. That is why truth is so important.  What is difficult is that many people think this, as it plays in their heart but because of their military service they can not say otherwise. For example think of those 28,500 brave soldiers, airmen, marines and sailors deployed on the Korean peninsula, did many evangelicals who embrace Donald Trump honestly care about them? I would say no, not when they sold their soul and drank the Kool Aid. 

Now here is the other disturbing part. Will the 81% of evangelicals who voted and support Donald Trump  be able to admit that they made a mistake? That they screwed up? Will they act any different than Mark Driscoll, C.J. Mahaney or The Gospel Coalition? My prediction is that they will duplicate the same mistakes and that they will run from their error or dig in their heals and refuse to admit their error. Watch for the creation of mini little versions of Joe Carters, Mark Driscolls and C.J. Mahaneys who can’t admit that they screwed up. Donald Trump voters are going to be like Sovereign Gracers…unable and incapable of owning an error. That is my prediction to you. 

I deeply appreciated this article by Philip Yancey. He is a gem. Philip has already spoken of how evangelical Trump supporters have attacked him. If only there were more Philip Yanceys how different would things be in the end? Part of the reason why I decided to write this article is that in the news I saw that Donald Trump is going to sign an executive order on “religious freedom.” Did you not know…its not the Christian in North Korea, Syria, Russia, Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan, etc.. who is being persecuted at all. No…its the fundamentalist baker in a bakery in Oregon who refuses to sell a cake to a secular gay couple who is really being persecuted. Philip Yancey in the video up above talks about how Christians outside the United States look at Christians here in the United States. They are baffled and bewildered. I am here and I am baffled and bewildered. But I did learn something new….now I know why C.J. Mahaney is back preaching again. Mahaney counts on people to be fools and they buy into it and like the act. 

I know many of you are going to disagree with this. That is fine. I am not out to create uniformity or an echo chamber. I am out to create a website that is diverse and broad in readership. Diversity is a strength and its necessary for growth. For those who disagree feel free to speak your mind. In the Saturday Night Live skit Melissa McCarthy joked about taking a shot at her nuts. I have been through a lot in life and like that SNL skit you are free to take a shot at me as well. That is okay and only fair. I still love you guys and I know some may think that trite; but the reality of the situation is that you will never be turned away, censored and silenced here. I take a lot here and that is to be expected. So feel free to speak your mind. 

35 thoughts on “Philip Yancey is Bewildered on Why So Many Evangelical Christians Adore Donald Trump

  1. Well, as one PREACHER put it during the campaign, we Trump supporters are not voting for a PASTOR IN CHIEF.

    Secondly, I am a Christian…not an evangelical. What is an evangelical? A Calvinist?

    Thirdly, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. LOTS OF STONE THROWING GOING ON by those who are, how you say…bewildered?

    In other words, lots of self righteous people are claiming to be Christians that don’t sin, and has never sinned a day in their lives. I am sick and tired of self righteous people.

    Christians still sin being Christians. I have no idea what evangelicals do, but Christians sin.

    Who is not without sin? What president that has ever served office been without sin?

    Oh, I know this one!!!!!! NO ONE.

    Last I recall, for all have sinned and fall short.

    And finally, what are the POLICIES that we Trump supporters voted for that Trump stands for?

    As Spock always said on Star Trek, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

    I am a former US Navy sailor, and I have been around the world to many many nations over a 17 year navy career from 1982 to 2000. I’ve seen many things. And I will defend to my death my vote for Donald Trump.

    And, if religion and politics don’t mix, why do we have a chaplain that states prayer in the US House of Representatives? Who put him in that position in the first place? Why is he still there? What religion did he begin that position with way back in the olden days? Buddhism? Atheism?


    Ed Chapman


  2. By the way, I am not a fan of those who claim that Trump mocked a disabled person. No, he mocked a reporter who reported incorrectly that just so happens to be disabled. His disability was not the issue. His reporting was the issue, and that part is never covered by the opposing team.

    Not only that…the party that lost the election seems to endorse much violence around the country due to the Trump win, or, dare I say, the Hillary loss. Several people tortured a disabled person due to his support for Trump. Did you happen to see what race of people did that to a white disabled person?

    The party of violence is the Hillary supporters. But yet, Trumps locker room talk is the end of the world for Hillary supporters.

    Just not gettin the hypocrisy here.

    I take it you are not a fan of Professional Wrestling!!!! You do know that it’s fake? Not real?

    Trump talks about sexual assault, but Hillary supporters are really actively assaulting. Torturing people, killing people who voted Trump.

    One mother TORTURED her own small child for admitting that IN SCHOOL…in grade school, mind you, that in a mock election, he voted for Trump.

    Yah…Trump talks locker room talk, but you guys turn the other cheek when it comes to the REAL DEAL of actual assault and torture, and immature mayhem by college kids doing millions of dollars worth of damage, committing real actual crimes, while masked in black.

    IN Seattle, Olympia, Portland there are activist groups promoting violence, telling people to tape a metal bar to their forearm to defend themselves from police batons, and to use their arms to hurt others…who voted for Trump.

    I am sick of the childish sore losers that can’t seem to act like adults, and lose in dignity. But, this is the generation that 12th place losers get a trophy.

    The preachers of tolerance are not tolerant.

    Such hypocrisy.

    Ed Chapman


  3. Next,

    The Syria issue.

    There are two things going on in Syria.

    1. Civil War
    2. ISIS

    In regards to getting involved in Syria’s civil war, Trump is opposed to it. That has not changed. But, your side seems to forget that the use of chemical weapons is a war crime, and that negates out any policy of not doing something about it.

    The use of chemical weapons changed the situation.

    If you were in the military, like I was, you would know this. When I was in the military, things must have been much different from when you were in. But imagine my surprise when I learned that the US Navy had STRESS CARDS in boot camp that the recruits could flash. STRESS CARDS? Yah…stress cards.

    The kinder gentler boot camp.

    What I am really getting at, is that I am “BEWILDERED” by the critiques of Donald J Trump, US President.

    Ed Chapman


    • But imagine my surprise when I learned that the US Navy had STRESS CARDS in boot camp that the recruits could flash. STRESS CARDS? Yah…stress cards.
      The kinder gentler boot camp.

      No wonder ISIS knows They Will Win.
      This sort of stuff reminds me of Guns & Ammo editorials of the Seventies with their obsessive compare-and-contrast of “Spoiled Rotten Baby-Fat Americans” with Rugged Communist Supermen. (While they were constantly getting one-upped by Soldier of Fortune — remember them?)


  4. Sounds to me that you wish to avoid a war in North Korea, huh? Are you sure that you were in the US Military? Sure doesn’t sound like it.

    I was stationed in Yokosuka, Japan. Been to South Korea numerous times. That is jut right across the water from Japan. We have bases in both South Korea and Japan.

    Don’t you want to FREE those people in bondage in North Korea who are being tortured, who the only god that they are preached about is their own leader?

    Oh, but you want to avoid war at all costs. Gotcha! Mind our own business, right?

    What military were you in? Why were you in the military?

    Ed Chapman


    • Oh, but you want to avoid war at all costs. Gotcha! Mind our own business, right?

      Remember Europe in the 1920s & 1930s?
      All Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace — Peace Movements, Peace Marches, Avoid War at All Costs, Never Again the Trenches, even some countries literally making war illegal.

      Except for this one country in central Europe whose cry wasn’t Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace but “SIEG HEIL!”
      All those Peace Movements really helped a lot, didn’t they?
      All it takes is One.


  5. I will close with this:

    Don’t be so naive to think that the military folks do not support Donald Trump. DO NOT be that naive.

    I am a veteran that lives in a Navy Town that the USS John C Stennis is homeported out of, and the USS Nimitz is here on a visit. I took the Stennis from Norfolk to San Diego. Now it is here in Bremerton.

    I was stationed on both of those ships during my tenure.

    I was also on the USS Midway CV-41 and USS Cochrane DDG-21, both out of Yokosuka, Japan.

    As a US Navy Vet, I can speak, and I know that many many many military folks support Donald Trump as Commander in Chief.

    Oh, by the way, when did the word “illegal” become “undocumented”? Is that an OOPS, I left my passport at home, moment?

    I really don’t understand the left’s way of thinking. Never have, never will.

    Ed Chapman


    • Ed if you think I am part of the left you are deeply mistaken and do not know me. If you must know I actually voted Rubio and fall into that camp. I will not support someone who has boasted of sexual assault. Not now, not ever….


  6. I really gotta ask…HOW OLD ARE YOU?

    You stated:
    “I saw that Donald Trump is going to sign an executive order on “religious freedom.” Did you not know…its not the Christian in North Korea, Syria, Russia, Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan, etc.. who is being persecuted at all. No…its the fundamentalist baker in a bakery in Oregon who refuses to sell a cake to a secular gay couple who is really being persecuted. Philip Yancey in the video up above talks about how Christians outside the United States look at Christians here in the United States. They are baffled and bewildered. I am here and I am baffled and bewildered. ”

    My response:

    We are a country founded upon a principal of freedom of thought, speech, and expression. If those freedoms are infringed upon, yes, there is persecution. There is not supposed to be retribution for acting out our religious beliefs in this country. How are those Christians overseas baffled and bewildered???????

    I am baffled and bewildered that they are baffled and bewildered that they have no clue about the Untied States of America that their own ancestors came here for.

    Sometimes, I wonder why the left has no common sense, yet they claim to be educated. .

    Ed Chapman


    • Ed you need to tone it down. And Ed when you are facing execution and decapitation for your Christian faith then you can say that you are persecuted. Many who believe there is persecution in the United States would not last a day in the times of Greece or Rome.


      • I saw that Donald Trump is going to sign an executive order on “religious freedom.” Did you not know…its not the Christian in North Korea, Syria, Russia, Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan, etc.. who is being persecuted at all. No…its the fundamentalist baker in a bakery in Oregon who refuses to sell a cake to a secular gay couple who is really being persecuted.

        In the words of the prophet Alfred Yankovic:


      • Obviously, we differ in the totality of the word, persecution. You take it to the extreme, while forgetting the first amendment to the constitution about religious liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and all of that is supposed to be without retribution. That, my friend, is indeed persecution if those rights are infringed upon.

        The Bible, both old and new test discusses persecution that does not necessarily include execution or decapitation. Why is your definition limited?

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      • Maybe I do Ed. When I think of persecution I think of death, more, etc… Life is hard I expect to be hit hard and take a punch in the gut. So I expect some of those difficulties.


  7. Random musings of why the Trump inspires “O Come Let Us Adore Him”:
    1) Since the days of Jerry Falwell and The Moral Majority, God’s Anointed Choice for POTUS has been getting scuzzier and sketchier with each election cycle. It had to hit bottom sometime.
    2) As that one football coach (whose name I can’t remember) put it, “Winning isn’t everything. Winning Is The Only Thing”.
    3) Any sort of Affirmative Action has the side effect of resentment in those who were left out. Especially in the Zero-Sum mentality of today. And the resentment builds until one day it reaches critical mass.
    4) And ever since their beloved Woodstock, Our Enlightened Betters have been on a Righteous roll with wagging fingers. (As one of IMonk’s commenters put it, “New England Puritans seven-times distilled down to eliminate any hint of God while keeping the Righteousness and Moral Fury intact.) After 50-odd years of Sowing the Wind by the Perpetually Offended, we got to the point of “How’s That Whirlwind Feel, MoFos?”
    5) And like Communism begets Objectivism, “If they’re for something, I Have To Be Against It!”
    6) Like Obama, Trump pulled off the difficult campaign maneuver of Messiah Politics. Find a grievance and position yourself as the Man On The White Horse who will fix it all and usher in The Perfect Paradise. Say what’s on your base’s mind but nobody else dares to say, don’t get pinned down on anything, let them project their desire for Messiah onto you. Obama and Trump both pulled this off with wildly-different bases and campaign styles. And both attracted an extremist fringe of fanboys.


  8. Yancey quotes Shane Claiborne who said that mixing politics and religion is like mixing ice cream and horse manure.

    I wouldn’t have used the word “manure”, but that is one great line!

    Donald Trump is what happens when evangelical Christians decided to sit down, put on a bib and feast on shit.

    During the Cold War, “shit-eaters” was the KGB term used internally for starry-eyed Communism Fanboys in the West. Fanservicing these activists with propaganda was called “preparing an appropriate feast”.


  9. I’m absolutely at the point where I have no more stamina for politics. And while I probably should care, because things in DC will have a direct impact on me and my family, I just don’t. I’m ready to let what happens, happen and I will deal with the consequences as they come.

    Probably the best choice I made in this election was to write in Snoopy.


    • After the 1968 elections, California outlawed write-ins of fictional candidates — one of those Feel-Good unenforceable laws/”Symbolic Gestures”.

      The urban legend at the time was that if they’d counted write-ins, the state’s electoral vote would have gone to either Snoopy or Batman instead of either Nixon or Humphrey.

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  10. I’m sure there are Evangelicals who loved President Trump from the get go. However, I didn’t know any of them.

    The Evangelicals I knew voted for President Trump for this reason, and this reason only.

    “The Clinton Crime Family”

    Here it is; all laid out from the beginning

    Mr. Bonner, possibly you’ve over estimated Evangelical’s love for Mr. Trump and underestimated their despair that Hillary Clinton would ever become president.


  11. Hi, Eagle! Glad to see you writing again! = D

    I’ll tell ya what: I appreciate Yancey’s sentiment and yours, although I will admit that I voted for Trump. I don’t agree with him all that much and am disgusted by the things you rightfully brought up.

    So, why did I vote for him? Because having grown up around the Washington, DC area, I couldn’t stand the thought of someone getting basically a free pass for such an egregious security violation. But the Dems’ use of the term “deplorables” toward folks like my family also made me absolutely irate. Having grown up around DC in a conservative family, I have faced a lot of bullying and discrimination from leftists over the years. The term “deplorable” in the conservative / political sense is one of the most offensive terms you can use toward me.

    When politicians are willing to dialog with me rather than lecture me, then I will start to listen. This is why I voted for Trump, even though I did not want to: because the Dems have been lecturing my family and me, discriminating against us, etc. for decades, and we got especially sick of it under Obama. Obama’s Town Hall meetings were a joke for conservatives like me. All he did was lecture us, viewing himself as being of some sort of superior intellect, like many other leftist elitists. My vote for Trump was an “I’m not going to take this sitting down” vote. It was definitely NOT an “I love Trump” vote. I don’t like the guy, and the racism, sexual harassment, bullying, lying, lack of civility are appalling, as you rightly point out. And WHY are Executive Orders constitutional?! I thought that it was the job of the Legislative Branch — as in, Congress — to enact laws. The dude has, in my opinion, abused the Executive Order privilege / power.

    I myself voted in the Republican primary — for Marco Rubio. He struck me as a more civil non-Evangelical candidate. (For the record, I am a ex-Evangelical who does not believe in Dominionism.)

    Of all the Republican candidates, I had the most respect for Dr. Ben Carson (although I don’t understand his reasoning for supporting Trump). I didn’t vote for Dr. Carson, because I was concerned that he might have been a bit soft of a world leader, that’s all. I voted for Rubio, because he was I think the leading non-Trump candidate at the time. I am sorry that the Republicans ran such a bad candidate, and I hope they run someone more integrous and civil next time.

    Also, I did like that Hillary was a woman. I’d love to see a woman like her who has not violated security protocols or have other scandals in her background to run on the Republican ticket — preferably someone very likable, professional, calm and with a similar level of gravitas as Hillary.

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  12. Not to necro a post to much, but been busy with work. Leaving the politics aside, but I’ll toss out my own views to be upfront. I’m unhappy with everybody and my personal political ideals are ridiculously never achievable. I trend liberal libertarian, formerly Republican.

    Back in the ’90’s I was in high school and Bill Clinton was in office. My family that attended church switched between Assemblies of God and non denominational charismatic (Whee! I have some amazing stories). Well President Clinton got caught with an intern. I remember the moral outrage, the way we were motivated to oppose him, because of the damage his behavior brought the office, outside the other issues. It was something that united us, as believers, as political activists/volunteers. A common moral code that the violation of was something we did not like. It was effective.

    So when I see a lot of the same American Christians I grew up with, that taught me in school, worshiped with me in Church, and in a few instances shared a prophetic word with, vote and continue to support President Trump with the enthusiasm they have shown, it makes me wander if they know the potential costs of embracing political power as a cultural influence. That sort of shift throws off certain kinds thinkers/believers in a big way. This applies to any movement I’d say. Those kinds of tradeoffs have long term consequences in the membership. I expect in the years to come to hear echoes of my own deconversion story when faced with moral tradeoffs inherent in Christianity or any religious faith (Shout out to my personal triggers: Calvinism and omnimax deity abilities).

    But who knows? Maybe it’s a better long term play. Get off the moral wagon as a cultural marker of American Christianity and go for national identity as the cultural lever de jure. That’s a heck of lot less hard to do then being a moral example in expecting behavior. And it has a long history here in America. Maybe that will work.


    • Hey Blue,

      Just to put in my two cents of a shift in priorities. Morality has changed over the years since you were in high school. People are confused as to how to define morality. What was once immoral in the 90’s is the “in thing” these days.

      So why are the immoral all of a sudden concerned with morality now?

      But, my concern is the law of the land. Are we going to enforce law, or just turn the other cheek?

      Christians voted Trump for a valid reason, and it was about the law of the land, as far as I am concerned.

      You are a young person. I was born in 64, graduated in 1982.

      I am actually enjoying all of the fake and phony, made up controversies surrounding the opposition to Trump. People actually believe what they want to believe, not where the facts take them.

      Example…Reporter reports that the Trump administration removed the bust of Martin Luther King Jr.

      People believed that story, all because a reporter reported it.

      Well, go ahead and keep on reporting fake news, reporters. There will be a day that the fake reports will bite them in the…well, where the sun don’t shine.

      The fake outrage is the funniest to me.

      And you all are playing into it, to be honest.


      Ed Chapman


      • Hi Ed. Oh my yes what is considered baseline moral is far different then it was in the 90’s. Even more so from the 80’s of my childhood. And that’s good in some ways and bad in others depending on your point of view. However I think I may not have conveyed my point well. I don’t really care if the Evangelicals switch what they want out of the morals of their political leadership. That’s their ward and power base, I’d say run it in the ways that are most effective for your political goals. What I do wonder is how much dropping that and switching to a less moral focus and more straight political focus. When institutions and cultures do big changes like that, it tends to have ripples.

        Maybe this example will help. When unions were first formed I think most people agree they were a great tool for workers to establish some rights at their places of employment. As the years wore on, Unions became more and more political. Regardless of your personal view or support of unions, they’ve certainly gotten involved in politics and chosen sides, favoring the Democratic party I’d say. Unions are now a shadow of their former strength and most people do not consider them a useful tool in employer/employee relations.

        I don’t really care what American Christianity does on a personal level. I have no influence there and I have no wish to influence peoples religious beliefs beyond friendly discussion. I do care as a political junkie. Some people like sports I think like I follow politics. Maybe. I’m not a sportsball type guy. So when a fairly large and consistent voting block changes its behavior I’m curious how it’s going to shake out, especially identifying so much with a polarizing figure like President Trump. Friday night musings, it’s been a long week.


      • Blue,

        Well, I’ve never had the privilege of experiencing what being a union member was all about, so I can’t really relate, but at one time, there was a need for a union for protecting the American worker, and yes, politics had to get in the mix of things to get laws on the books.

        OK, the laws are on the books now. Why are the unions still in politics? What good are unions now, but for taking your money, and giving you a spam sandwich wage in a forced strike against the company that you work for.

        Well, now what good are unions? They no longer serve a purpose.

        My issue with politics is the social mix, not the religious mix. I like the religious mix…I’m not a fan of the social mix at all.

        As you will note, I come from a military background.

        I’m a black and white kinda guy. I believe in the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

        I believe in Good Order and Discipline.

        What we have BEFORE Trump, is chaos, and confusion. I like to call them, Democrats.

        As far as I am concerned, Trump is putting it back to where it was before the chaos, back when the laws of the land where enforced, and most importantly, RESPECTED, and feared, that if I do something illegal, I’m going to prison.

        Democrats just seem to want to legalize immoral behavior, or excuse it. Democrats seem to want to bad mouth anything that is of Good Order and Discipline, and make up stories about Russia.

        What is their message besides social issues and Russia? As Bill Maher (However it’s spelled) said recently, all people really want to hear is “Where’s my job?”…and he’s a liberal, that is confused about his own liberals.

        Ed Chapman


      • Never been in a union myself. My dad was an air traffic controller who did not strike back in the 80’s. That’s how we ended up moving to the midwest. We certainly had opinions in my household about unions and they were not friendly. Throughout my career I’ve seen places where a union would be horrible and places where it’s needed. Sometimes the labor laws protect employer and employee, sometimes they’ve been written by the employer through political access. Complicated issue to be sure and I think automation is going to make it an even bigger issue.

        I don’t hold the Democratic party in much high regard myself. I don’t see too much effective difference between the parties, just a change in which window dressing interest groups they nod towards. They all work hand in glove with the political machine in this country. C’est la vie, it’s the way of the world.

        Like I said earlier, I’m not even on the board when it comes to the spectrum American political parties. Maybe a Modern Whig? To be honest I’m trending towards the thought of that great conservative humorist P.J. O’Rourke, “Don’t vote, it just encourages the bastards.”

        I’m glad that you are feeling affirmed for your vote for President Trump. That’s a nice feeling when those we vote for follow our hopes for them.


      • Blue,

        When I joined the navy, Ronald Reagan was president. In addition, we, in the military, knew which party supported the military, vs. the party who did not support the military.

        When there are conflicts in the world that we participate in, we know the party that will badmouth American involvement, while at the same time, we know that what we are doing is the right thing to do.

        While the majority of the republican party was concerned about Trump making sexual remarks, and making false allegations about racism, I was actually listening to his policies.

        IMO, , and let’s be honest, no one expected, nor wanted the debates to be civil. They wanted it to be a knock down drag out fight. What fun would it have been if it had not been? BORING.

        The much divided country is not now, nor will it be ready for a long time, for a civil debate about anything, including the price of tea in China.

        My favorite, however, is that there are men out there that LIE about never making a sexual locker room remark. I’ve read that where people have said, “I’ve been a member of a gym all my life and I’ve never heard, nor talked like that in all of my life.

        I sneeze and cough up “BS” at that. And women, disgusted at the remarks, are fans of fifty shades of grey. Hmmmm…fantasy of being sexually assaulted vs. disgust at remarks about sexual assault?????

        Can someone splain that to me?



      • I was actually listening to his policies.

        Ed can you explain to me…what are Trump’s policies? What is his policy on NATO? Russia? Latin America? Ukraine? Baltics? Ocenaia? What is his policy on China/Taiwan? What is his policy on Syria? Iraq? Iran? Afghanistan? Pakistan? What is his policy on Burma? North Korea? After all one day he calls DPRK the greatest threat but then another day calls Kim Jon Un a cool dude? I watched him flip flop on 3 different topics today, so what is his polices on all those areas.

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      • Wondering,

        Let me reverse that on ya:

        What is Hillary’s policies on those issues?

        Here is Trump’s Policy…and I agree:

        The element of surprise:

        As a military veteran, I think it is stupid to announce to the world what you are going to do. The U.S .USED TO HAVE that policy once upon a time.

        In the military, we called it “NEED TO KNOW”, hence security clearances. But what do we have a climate of today? CIA LEAKING INFORMATION that is illegal for them to do.

        Trump’s CONCERN, as a NON politician was that NATO was not paying their fair share. Trump is a money guy, and he knows that the US Pays for just about everything for the whole world, and we get nothing in return.

        Trump is a money guy. Did I say that before?

        What did we have under Obama? A RED LINE with NO CONSEQUENCES…RUSSIA INVADING UKRAINE WITH NO CONSEQUENCES. And you think Trump’s international policies are strange? Really?

        With Respect, Wondering,

        Ed Chapman


      • Wondering,

        You had said:
        “After all one day he calls DPRK the greatest threat but then another day calls Kim Jon Un a cool dude?”

        My response:

        NO, NO, NO.

        He called him a SMART COOKIE, not a cool dude.

        You are in Washington DC. You can’t determine what he meant by SMART COOKIE?

        Do I really need to explain?

        I will explain.

        Trump is stating that Kim Jon Un KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.

        Ed Chapman


    • Wondering,

      You expect me to believe a kgb spy? Is he a licensed therapist, or psychologist who made a diagnosis based on an office visit, taking a battery of tests to determine this? The MMPI, for example?

      Come on, Wondering, really? A former kgb agent? Wow, dude.

      Ed Chapman


      • Ed some of these people have worked with the FBI, etc… You ever make it to DC you need to hit the Spy Museum. And Ed I don’t have to by a licensed shrink to see some of the problems. A 6 year old can…


      • Wondering,

        I don’t care if they worked for the milkman, Wondering. Their word, to me, means absolutely nothing. They are diagnosing without a license to do so.

        It’s nothing more than opinion, not based on evidence of facts based on an psych interview with a licensed therapist.

        This is the kind of false allegations that I don’t like, Wondering!!

        Ed Chapman


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